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Boilermakers @ Spartans Men’s Basketball Gamethread
January 24th, 2017 by Jeffrey Lubeck

Purdue heads to East Lansing to take on the Spartans at the Breslin.

Gametime:  7PM (EST)

National Broadcast: ESPN2

Announcers: Dan Shulman, Dan Dakich and Molly McGrath.

I have two question for which I want answers from every member of TUS as part of their 1st comment.

  1. Final Score Prediction
  2. Based on MSU Football Recruiting news of the past few days, Mark Dantonio’s new nickname should be: A.) d’Poacher, B.) d’Flipper C.) Other (you provide the new nickname)

40 Responses  
  • JerseyJohn writes:
    January 24th, 20171:14 pmat

    1 75-66 PU wins

    2 urban meyer.

    • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
      January 24th, 20174:52 pmat

      Clever on #2

      You number is -9 and JustABum thinks it is -18. Do you agree with JustABum in that MSU will not handle the 4&5 spots?

      What needs to happen for a W?

  • JustABum writes:
    January 24th, 20172:58 pmat

    1. PU 83 – MSU 65, I prefer to let the game be played and hope for the best MSU outcome. However this game is mismatch disaster for MSU’s 4&5’s.
    2. “H.L.” Aka, honourable laggard.

    The second question is BS, and Solari is a horse’s ARSE for calling MSU poachers! Meyer and Harbaugh pursue top “soft-commits” and getting their man is an example of excellence. Both Todd & Blackshear re-opend their recruiting after offers from other programs when coaching changes occurred. True they did not decommit, but what’s the difference between Dantonio, Meyer and Harbaugh?

    • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
      January 24th, 20174:50 pmat

      As for Question #2 being BS. Please refer the nEWmEDIA2017 reverse Hungarian Handbook. It encourages all media outlets to ask questions that in old days were once considered worthless fodder by they Media Elite namely in Ireland.

      • JustABum writes:
        January 24th, 20175:57 pmat

        Did you read Solari’s article on Blackshear? Jeeze, nEWmEDIA2017 drivel.

    • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
      January 24th, 20174:53 pmat

      What needs to happen for a MSU W?

      • JustABum writes:
        January 24th, 20175:55 pmat

        IDK. An MSU win… Painter making bonehead decisions. Not using Haas and Swanigan as much as possible. And MSU keeps playing great defense and stop Thompson and the other guards from driving the lane.

        I am more than pleasantly surprised so far watching this MSU team. Lots of assists and hustling.

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    January 24th, 20175:51 pmat

    I had to look twice to be sure this game isn’t in west Lafayette. driscoll and steratore are killing us.

  • LeeBee writes:
    January 24th, 20176:20 pmat

    Sitting down to watch now. First game seen live in a long time.

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      January 25th, 201710:50 amat

      Hey, welcome back! With recent weather events, I was concerned for you and other SEC-country Members. Good to know you and yours were sufficiently spared to watch a Spartan game — even if this was not a must-see January outing.

  • LeeBee writes:
    January 24th, 20176:22 pmat

    Guess I should go away.

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    January 24th, 20176:25 pmat

    at this point I would send ward to the locker room. nothing but a distraction. no respect.

  • LeeBee writes:
    January 24th, 20176:30 pmat

    C. d’Teacher

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    January 24th, 20177:07 pmat

    perhaps they should take some of the money they are throwing into breslin and invest in some new time clocks, because they embarrassingly malfunction every single game. unless of course gus ganakas is the timekeeper and fell asleep at the wheel.

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      January 25th, 201710:52 amat

      G.G. is the (enthusiastic) Spartan radio pitch man for Labatt Blue. [insert product-sampling quip here]

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    January 24th, 20177:12 pmat

    the worst part of this game is that bridges broke skiles freshman scoring record with 33 points and we still lost by 11. makes me sick.

    the best part of the game and the only smart thing that dakich ever uttered is that he knows bob huggins got sick of eron harris. hilarious.

  • LeeBee writes:
    January 24th, 20177:15 pmat

    The bubble is a lofty goal.

  • 79 Spartan writes:
    January 24th, 20179:03 pmat

    Had other commitments, so DVRed it… guess what? The recording said MSU v PU, but it wasn’t; it was KU v WV???

    So did not see it.

    • Kindle writes:
      January 24th, 201710:16 pmat

      Neither did I due to a family commitment. Sounds like we were both lucky.

  • Ben Green writes:
    January 25th, 20174:54 amat

    The Spartans have now lost 4 of 5 and their backs are even more fully up against the wall. I expected this loss with Purdue’s trees in the middle. Actually it was closer for most of the game then I thought it would be.

    MSU’s one man show was not enough and is not a winning formula. After the game Miles Bridges said, “It would’ve felt way better with a win”, responding to the freshman scoring record. So it’s evidently not all about winning. Not to over analyze but I would have much preferred, “The record doesn’t mean much without a win”. Or, “We don’t win championships with individual records”. This season will be lost if MSU doesn’t make it to the dance and Bridges leaves. Another footnote in history.

    Swanigan’s 17 rebounds and 25 points tells the story. Purdue has too much size and talent. Even with his dominance they had 6 players in double figures.

    Izzo was defensive after the game about fan disappoint saying he knows what he’s doing and he’s not going to listen to others who have no clue. Things are not looking all that positive in EL.

    • Ghost Of Biggie writes:
      January 25th, 20177:56 amat

      Not only can’t do Sh** for TI. He is also telling us we don’t know sh**. He may be right that on both counts but we do know sh** about being stubborn, inflexible and HUGELY disappointed.

      • Ben Green writes:
        January 25th, 20175:56 pmat

        Right on all counts, GOB.

    • JerseyJohn writes:
      January 25th, 20178:28 amat

      I think we can stick an asterisk next to that record because I don’t think there was a 3 point line skiles freshman year. I may be wrong since I vaguely remember the BIG experimenting with it one year.

      • Kindle writes:
        January 25th, 201711:50 amat

        Had to look it up, but we can’t use the asterisk for Bridges. The NCAA as a whole experimented with the 3 point shot in 1982-83, which was Skiles’ freshman year. That year Skiles hit 25 of 50 three pointers.

        Skiles played the remainder of his career without the 3 point shot as the NCAA didn’t bring it back until the year following his graduation in 1986. It was brought back for the 86-87 season.

        Imagine if Skiles had the 3 point shot his entire college career~~~

        On December 30, 1990 Scott Skiles made NBA history by dishing out an NBA-record 30 assists during the Magic’s 155-116 victory vs the Denver Nuggets. The record still stands. He played ten years in the NBA.

        • JerseyJohn writes:
          January 25th, 20172:40 pmat

          thanks for the info. if I recall, that three point line actually cut through the top of the key and wasn’t as long as even a 20 foot shot. I do remember skiles scored over 40 against SCum and Minnesota one year and with the 3 point shot would have been in the 60’s. nice how it conveniently came back for steve alford’s senior year, the year after skiles left.

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      January 25th, 201711:00 amat

      On Bridges’ remark: He is a freshman. I think what he said would have graded well against many off-the-cuff post-game comments from coaches three times his age.

      • Ben Green writes:
        January 25th, 20175:53 pmat

        No doubt but you evidently missed my point.

  • JustABum writes:
    January 25th, 20176:26 amat

    Play in the first half was encouraging and instilled a bit of confidence in making the NCAA’s. I say this because this team may improve defensively. If Izzo can whip them into shape and put a run together in February and it carries over into the B1G tourney, an improving team may be on the favourable sid ofe the bubble.

    Playing better on the road will determine if the NCAA is possible.

    • Ghost Of Biggie writes:
      January 25th, 20178:01 amat

      The only bubbles in March are going to be in the whirlpool at the Brez easing the aches and pains of a season that fell short. Is it time to start the Curse of Pride mantra for MSU major sports.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    January 25th, 201710:43 amat

    1. I predicted something along the lines of a 78-70 PU win. (I assumed PU would make 75% of its free throws. It seemed like PU was over 90% in that part of its game.)

    2. Dantonio does not need a new nickname at this time.

  • ATLSpartan writes:
    January 25th, 201710:58 amat
    • GoSt8Go writes:
      January 25th, 20172:41 pmat

      About time.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    January 25th, 201712:24 pmat

    In Jeff’s Question #2, he alludes to MSU football receiving three verbal commitments from recruits that had previously committed to other schools. Here is Solari’s report on the newest Spartan recruit:
    http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2017/01/24/raheem-blackshear-michigan-state-football/96998892/

    This write-up did not offend me. Many fans think that when a verbal recruit of their team de-commits to join another team, the other team’s coach has poached (or raided, or worse) their team — whereas, when their team benefits from the de-commitment of another team’s recruit, it is (if acknowledged at all) rationalized as the recruit’s thoughtful and wise reconsideration of his future. As I see it: If Urban Meyer does something that is called poaching, then the same thing done by Dantonio is also poaching.

    Nonetheless, I want to follow JAB’s example and contrast Solari’s choice of hook with someone else’s:
    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/spartans/2017/01/24/another-flip-msu-lands-temple-commit-raheem-blackshear/96998762/

    Both approaches are Spartan-neutral, since they do not unfavorably compare MSU’s tactics with those of Ohio State’s and Michigan’s (to say nothing of SEC programs). But Charboneau’s “flip” is more politically correct and less ethically assertive than Solari’s “poach”. Were I an editor, I might have let Solari’s word choices slide in isolation — because I do not have 10,000 hours of experience as an editor. But if presented with Charboneau’s alternative, I would have encouraged its use instead.

    SO: Should we phase out Solari reporting from this site and go with Charboneau (or an openly partisan Spartan fan like Hondo Carpenter) for Spartan news? I usually find Solari’s chats much more insightful than Charboneau’s — and I usually find Solari’s articles more informative than Charboneau’s. But that may be a minority view.

    And besides: Losing better insight and information may be a small price to pay for minimizing unhappiness and reinforcing consensus beliefs at TUS.

    • JustABum writes:
      January 25th, 20171:53 pmat

      My assertion Solari is reporting the news rather poorly and negatively is due to Solari ommits a key fact leading to the flip of a recruit. Either Solari did not do any research explaining the flip prior to selecting the word “poaching” or Solari’s article was edited to use a word with negative connotations. The circumstance I refer to is that one of Temple’s coaches, Matt Rhule, who was involved in Blackshear’s commitment to the Owls went to Baylor, A third rank online news source can provide a clearer picture of the circumstances of Blackshear’s decision to better himself than a Gannett beat writer. A sad statement of Solaria’s and Gannett’s work.

      • JustABum writes:
        January 25th, 20171:54 pmat

        Now, I’ll put my shoe back on and clean my desk of Irish soil.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    January 25th, 201712:35 pmat

    Two days ago, “bracketologist” (a term I loathe) Joe Lunardi projected MSU as a 7-seed. If my take on MSU in the previous thread was too optimistic, then it clearly was not the apex of Spartan bullish sentiment.

    Couch and Solari now deem bubble talk as realistic — and yesterday demonstrated that this team is certainly unworthy of a 7-seed right now.

    Is it a bubble team or worse? Maybe is the most I am willing to concede. I need to see how MSU does against other bubble teams, plural.

    Up next: MSU hosts a real bubble team — Michigan — Sunday. If MSU loses that game, I will sign on to Jeff’s implied projection of a 7-11 B1G season (and opine that the resulting 15-16 record would be of sub-bubble-team quality even with strength-of-schedule considerations). I do not expect to learn anything new about the season with a Spartan win.

  • Kindle writes:
    January 25th, 20173:41 pmat

    Some additional alternatives for finding Spartan news….

    Kevin Goheen MSU beat reporter for Land Of Ten
    https://www.landof10.com/author/kevingoheen

    Luke Srodulski MSU recruiting reporter for Land Of Ten
    https://www.landof10.com/author/lucassrodulski

    • GoSt8Go writes:
      January 25th, 20179:16 pmat

      Needed this. Tired of the Freep. I swear they are recycling Football posts, scratching out “football” and “Dantonio”, inserting “basketball” and ….

  • Kindle writes:
    January 25th, 20173:48 pmat

    Since this thread has been partly about recruits flipping their commitments to come to MSU, I found what I just read to be topical~~ that MSU fans were chanting “traitor” at Caleb Swanigan last night.

    Kevin Goheen ‏@CincyGoGo 21h21 hours ago
    Breslin crowd chanting “Traitor” at Swanigan. He hits 2 FTs to give him 23 points on the night and Purdue a 69-62 lead with 6:17 to play.

    • GoSt8Go writes:
      January 25th, 20179:14 pmat

      I have not moved to Cincy. Film at 11


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