One Down X Many To Go?
February 2nd, 2017 by Jeffrey Lubeck

The MSU Spartan Men’s Basketball team beat a sub .500 squad on the road four days after vanquishing an opponent at home that cannot garner a victory in an away game.  Oh, I apologize – to the less than handful of members who still read and comment on this site – for impersonating Chris Solari with this lead.

Moments after MSU took down Nebraska by 11 in Lincoln, TUS Compliance Leadership texted me “One Down” as a simple [sic., polite] reminder my prediction of the Spartans almost certain demise was a bit pre-mature.

MSU leaves Pinnacle Bank Arena – gosh the naming rights for the Huskers arena does not seem appropriate – at 14-9 and 5-4 in the BIG. While the Tim Miles led Huskers – who had beat the Spartans three times in a row – fall to 10-12 and 4-6 in the BIG.

Before I ask my key question of TUS membership, I would like to point out it appears I have received a Full-Body-Triple-Blood transfusion from JerseyJohn, JustABum and USMC(retired).  How can I tell?  Because during the contest I lost my cool when announcers Reese Davis, and Fran Fraschilla spent 7/8ths of the time discussing Duke, ACC, Kentucky and Fran’s 12 minutes of his coaching career in Lincoln.  WTF, WTF, WTF! Okay, back to our regularly scheduled Post.

Question members… how many games will MSU Men’s basketball play in the 2016-17 season (not including exhibition contests)?

29 Responses  
  • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
    February 3rd, 20173:39 amat

    MSU goes 4-4 or 3-5 to finish B1G Regular Season 10-8 or 9-9. They win 1 or 2 games in the B1G Tourney and possibly sneak in NCAA Tourney. And additional slips and MSU is out of NCAA Tourney.

    The Spartans played solid throughout the game last night. The game call from Reese Davis had no real play-by-play aspect and for long stretches had nothing to do with the game, the schools or conference involved.

    • 79 Spartan writes:
      February 3rd, 20177:35 amat

      You seemed to forget; they work for ESPeeN.

      I’ll post my answer after further rumination.

    • GoSt8Go writes:
      February 3rd, 201712:59 pmat

      I’m trying to shake you off that trail, and you’re not having it…

  • Kindle writes:
    February 3rd, 20178:07 amat

    In the 2nd half MSU shot 8 of 11 on 3 pointers. The Spartans hit 11 of their 17 3-point shots (64.7 percent) overall. The excellent ball movement created those good looks.

    BTW, Miles Bridges is averaging 19.5 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 2.0 blocks over the last six games. Shooting 58% on twos and 50% on threes.

    In winning back to back games for the 1st time since starting conference play with 3 straight wins; Ward seemed fine after the bout with the flu. Bridges, who missed 7 games, is again displaying why he was so highly touted as a recruit. Langford and Winston continue to show improvement.

    Admittedly, Nebraska is not a great team but they were on their home floor and hung in for quite a while forcing MSU to play with consistency to get the win, something we have rarely seen this season.

    I will go optimistic here and offer that MSU goes 5-3 in the remaining eight Big Ten games to finish the regular season at 11-7 in the conference and 19-12 overall. A win and a loss in the Big Ten tourney would leave them at 20-13 overall and a 9 or 10 seed in the NCAA’s.

    On the terrible announcing filibusters: ESPN and Davis have proven over and over they do not care what we think. If one keeps the volume turned up he or she will always be subjected to the gaseous wind that often wrecks a telecast. Here’s how bad it has become: Even the ever-the-glass-half-full Jeff Lubeck has now taken to trashing announcers AFTER A WIN!!

    • 79 Spartan writes:
      February 3rd, 201712:14 pmat

      MSU has 9 games remaining.

      • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
        February 3rd, 20175:41 pmat

        I re-checked the schedule…I only see eight regular season games remaining. Am I missing something?

        • Kindle writes:
          February 3rd, 20176:07 pmat

          8. That’s what I see for the regular schedule. But, I am old.

          • 79 Spartan writes:
            February 4th, 20177:56 amat

            Oh, the MSU web site had the Wiscy game listed for either of two dates, either 2/25 or 2/26.

            Sorry, my bad. I didn’t look at the dates, but should have given it was shown as a back-to-back anyway.

            I’m thinking 5-3 now, but we could make a run in the BTT with a couple wins.

            Are we dancing? Haven’t a clue, but my guess is yes.

    • GoSt8Go writes:
      February 3rd, 20171:02 pmat

      Because of how I fast forward and reverse to see details of the game, I seldom listen to the bloviating. The only usefulness the commentators have for me is to transfer the message they get from the refs when a controversial or monitor call is made, maybe some stats from time to time.

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      February 3rd, 20172:14 pmat

      I doubt MSU will exceed 50% beyond the arc in every game.

      Off-topic: A recently-airing Cialis commercial ends with someone in a bathtub that (from behind and from the neck up) looks like you.


    • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
      February 3rd, 20176:04 pmat

      5-3 would be nice, but it means an unlikely road win or beating Wiscy at-home. Heck I could even see us going 6-2 (only losing at Purdue and at Maryland). Wait-a-second that glass is starting to fill.

      The dilemma is we (MSU fans) have been spoiled by – and grown accustomed to – MSU teams putting the pieces to the puzzle in place and make great late season runs (no matter how dire the situation). I am not sure this team can pull it off.

      However, if I remember correctly the 2005 Final-Four team – at this point in the season – was being offered on the open market as scrap metal and there were no takers.

  • JustABum writes:
    February 3rd, 201710:12 amat

    I couldn’t agree more with the first part of this quote from an Mlive article.

    ‘It’s been sometimes maddening to get here, but Michigan State can finally say it’s seeing some benefits of a year spent without a defined, refined rotation. Not many teams have 11 players who have all seen legitimate playing time. Not many teams can have a different No. 2 and 3 and 4 scorers in any particular game.”

    Last night our match-ups worked and our Spartans sit in 5th place at 6-4 in conference. I hope future opponents personnel at the 5 work out too so MSU finishes at 9-6 (17-11). If they get two wins at the B1G T in DC, then an invite to the dance w ill happen and MSU will conclude the season with a 21 and 13 record by making the field of 16.

    Here’s that article:

  • 79 Spartan writes:
    February 3rd, 201712:15 pmat

    I say we can optimistically go 6-3 and reach 20 wins.

  • GoSt8Go writes:
    February 3rd, 20171:05 pmat

    A nice W with only some little things to rant about: cheap fouls that stop the clock under 3 minutes. Yes, I’m looking at you Alvin and you Miles (both of whom got the stink-eye from TI). Still a few breakdowns on D and fast breaks due to youth. As I told “fearless leader” a few nights ago, this team can be really good if they figure out the D and the Freshman stay out of foul trouble (giving walk-ons just a few brief breather mins). The O is fine.

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    February 3rd, 20172:12 pmat

    Game note: Goins also had/has the flu.

    Assuming State wins in Champaign, it should go 10-8 in the B1G and win one B1GT game. That would bring its overall record to 19-14 — close to the 18-13 that allowed OKSU to get a bid two years ago. An NCAA-bound MSU would lose its first NCAAT game, imo. The foregoing renders the answer to Jeff’s question to be: 34.

    But I remain only partially impressed with MSU’s last two wins. A loss in Champaign and a quarterfinal B1GT loss would put MSU at 18-15. Hard to see the Committee let State skate in on that (especially if it remembers what happened last year — relevance be darned). That would make MSU a goof candidate for the NIT — where it would likely win at least 2-4 games. Ironically, MSU plays more ball by being a poorer team; i.e., 35-37 games in that scenario.

    (One can substitute “vs. WI” for “in Champaign” in the foregoing. Either way: 9-9 or 10-8 in the B1G season. What Jeff said.)

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    February 3rd, 20172:16 pmat

    * Bullough, McDowell and Nicholson have been invited to the NFL Combine.

    * MSU women beat Indiana, 69-60. They are 16-7 [6-4]; their next game is Thursday at Iowa. I project MSU to fininsh the regular season 19-10 [9-7] by going 1-3 before winning its final two games. (Yes, jj. That means MSU will beat Penn State.)

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    February 3rd, 20172:26 pmat

    A couple of quick comments regarding the previous thread come to mind:

    * I have not yet fact-checked Jeff’s implication of multiple Top 20 MSU recruiting classes early in the century, but I am skeptical of it. I have reviewed the 2009-2017 classes, and — by assigning recruits their highest ranking among three major services — the per-recruit average of MSU’s 2017 class [3.23 stars] is within a standard statistical deviation (one sigma) of all of MSU’s 2009-2014 classes (which ranged from 3.05 to 3.41 stars). The 2017 average is higher (at last check) than any of the 2009-2013 averages. My interpretation of that combines the notions that [1] MSU did not take as much of a hit as it did after the 2012 season because it has improved its reputation of strength and NFL-player development, and [2] committing to MSU inflates most 2- and 3-star recruits’ rankings because of its reputation of finding and polishing hidden gems.

    I think JaB is on to something in noting the lack of a 5-star/high-end 4-star in this class; such kids often wait until winter to commit, and I think that a 3-9 MSU record gave competing coaches at a few schools a rhetorical advantage that was absent from the 2014-2016 signing periods. Curiously — unlike the two preceding classes — no high-end 4-stars committed to MSU last summer.

    AtlSpartan is right to say that the 2017 class should not greatly affect MSU’s success in 2017 (limited) and 2018-19 (CFP-berth contention, with proviso (note [A])). Will it lead to another .500-or-worse season in 2020? Probably not, but we will know a lot more one year from now when the 2018 class shapes up.

    * A Member erroneously wrote that MSU had a 4th-quarter lead in all but one of its nine 2016 losses. MSU, in fact, had a 4th-quarter lead in only three of its 2016 losses.

    [A] Assuming DEs King and Robertson do not go pro early. (My forecasting assumes that Corley will.)

    • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
      February 3rd, 20175:48 pmat


      Hasn’t MSU under Dantonio been been in the middle to lower 20’s most years and top 20 last year? That is what I was trying to say/infer and we are now back down to mid 30’s.

      • GoSt8Go writes:
        February 4th, 20179:26 amat

        Ruh roh, I smell a new “leveling” post coming.

      • 89 Chemistry writes:
        February 4th, 20172:52 pmat

        According to the current darling of services, 247sports:
        2007 — MSU 50th (all were Dantonio recruits except Mark Dell)
        2008 — MSU 44th
        2009 — MSU 26th
        2010 — MSU 21st
        2011 — MSU 32nd
        2012 — MSU 34th
        2013 — MSU 35th
        2014 — MSU 25th
        2015 — MSU 22nd
        2016 — MSU 17th
        2017 — MSU 36th

        IMPORTANT: 247 (and Rivals) rankings take several things into account — including class size. Since bigger classes are ranked higher than smaller classes of per-recruit ranking, the rankings are biased against programs that do not oversign — and are additionally (and relatedly) biased against teams that play per true freshmen. That should explain some discrepancies between my per-recruit averages and commercial rankings.

        You can interpret these for yourself, I trust.

        Here are 247’s MSU rankings for the rest of the 2000s:
        2000 — MSU 8th (almost all Saban’s , I presume)
        2001 — MSU 44th
        2002 — MSU 27th
        2003 — MSU 68th (I recall this being the lowest of the 11 Big Ten teams)
        2004 — MSU 14th (!)
        2005 — MSU 34th
        2006 — MSU 39th

    • 79 Spartan writes:
      February 4th, 20178:06 amat

      In the previous thread, I posted a link to The Drive w/ Jack Ebbing during which, I believe Harlan Barnett was asked about that and he said something like that they got every player they identified and sort of pooh, poohed the 3-9 season affecting their signers. Just saying.

  • JerseyJohn writes:
    February 3rd, 20175:50 pmat

    I predict 37 total games including one win in the BIG tournament and 5 wins culminating in the raising of the NIT championship banner.

    • Jeffrey Lubeck writes:
      February 3rd, 20176:10 pmat

      There you have it… Winner, Winner, Spartan Dinner!!!!!!!!

      JJ coming up with the 84 slaps to the face back-handed complement [sic., even] forces the Russian, Chinese, & French Judges to grade the comment a perfect 10.

      Gosh you are good!

    • 89 Chemistry writes:
      February 4th, 20172:20 pmat

      That would require 38 games: 31 [season] + 1 B1GT win + 1 B1GT loss + 5 NIT games.

      • JerseyJohn writes:
        February 4th, 20174:46 pmat

        that’s right, I forgot about the BIGT loss. I will be correct on the total if the BIGT loss occurs in the first game. for the record, I hope I’m wrong and we exceed my lowly expectations.

  • GoSt8Go writes:
    February 4th, 20177:19 pmat

    Basketball games are played for 40 minutes, or until the refs run off the floor. Not 39:59:05, but 40:00:00, or until the refs run off the floor.

  • LeeBee writes:
    February 4th, 20179:04 pmat

    All 4 visiting teams won today in the B1G. Hope it holds through the 7th

  • 89 Chemistry writes:
    February 5th, 201712:30 pmat

    * Morten Andersen will join Spartan greats Herb Adderley and Joe DeLamielleure in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Asked to comment, Andersen said, “Green and White forever!”

    * Spartan hockey lost to the Badgers Friday and lost to them in overtime yesterday. The B1G’s best rivalry enters its final scheduled round of the season at Joe Louis Arena on Friday when MSU takes on the Gulos (1930 EST; Fox Sports Detroit). Saturday’s 1900 EST [7 PM] game will be at Yost, where the Gulos split with OSU this weekend.

    * September Heisman-race department: MSU football has three hard verbal commits for the 2018 class — all four-star recruits according to Rivals and 247 Sports. Both services put MSU in their top 15 class rankings at this time.

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